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A Question of Manners... Or Something Else?

A recent case of on-the-way-to-school bullying raises the question: what will our kids grow up to be?

 

I wasn't going to touch this one. It has been said that I tend to see things as black or white, right or wrong, and that my Old School approach to New School issues and transgressions is not only outdated but out of place.

This was brought home to me recently when I wrote about a small Rat Pack of local kids who took on some very nice local people in the most vile of fashions, openly defying and insulting people decades their senior and in a patois more suited to the ghetto than for suburban Lamorinda.

I happened to witness one instance and it struck home, as things I see that I find wrong tend to do. I mentioned that a good home-style woodshed whupping would be justifiable punishment for these kids and thought others would feel the same.

Man, was I wrong.

Not the first time. I've been wrong before. But I misjudged the mindset of local parents who challenged my observations and suggested remedy for a roaming wolfpack of unsupervised kids dropping F-bombs like B-52 strikes and apparently willing to call octogenarians the "rhymes with riches" word.

That bothered me, too, and I'll confess it turned and turned in my head until the video of the four kids verbally attacking their bus monitor in upstate New York surfaced -- courtesy of the kids themselves. Because not only were these 13-year-olds willing to taunt an elder with threats of sexual assault, a knifing, and more -- they were happy to film themselves doing it.

Now, yes, the victim in this received some -- in my mind, at least -- very weak apologies from at least one parent of the kids involved and a lot of money from well-meaning people hoping to send her on a well-deserved vacation away from kids like the ones on that bus that day, but what did the episode teach us?

Even though kids film everything today I would be willing to bet this is only the tip of a very scary iceberg. And while I know kids tend to do things they wouldn't normally do when with they get together with their friends, this sort of behavior seems to go way beyond the "acting up" description. So, when I witnessed firsthand kids from our "nice" neighborhood behaving like street thugs, it shook me.

It was good to see that CNN's package on the bus monitor story included feedback from kids the age of the offenders, asking how such a thing could have happened and mentioning suitable punishment for their peers. The kids seemed even more offended than the victim, as if they had been betrayed -- and perhaps so.

For the record the kids in New York were suspended for a year and were sent to alternative schools. An apology from the parent of one of the boys involved seemed heartfelt, though some watching the case suggested it was motivated by a desire to escape an itself abusive limelight focused on his family after the case came to light.

The question I am left with is whether or not this sort of behavior, be it on a bus in upstate New York or a street in Lamorinda, is an example of a newfound hardening of the hearts of our young. Where does a middle schooler get the sort of verbal ammunition they need to terrorize an adult in this way? And what, if anything, do you feel should be done about it?

I know what I'd do, but I'm keeping that to myself for now.

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Napoleon Solo May 21, 2013 at 10:55 am
I agree with all of that. I consider myself rather recent to either of those sites so I'll defer toRead More your knowledge of it. My issue with Patch was how they seem to try to create tension and arguments, and especially if they get a good fight going, seem to bring in groups that clearly are not local. I have little interest in debating issues with someone from Fremont, for example. I agree that News is doing a great job of local coverage. I can infer from some of the bits of information that one of their writers lives within a few blocks of me.
Chris Nicholson May 21, 2013 at 10:42 am
NapSol: News24-680 has its flaws, but I haven't heard other complaints about censorship. It's aRead More crew of people who were doing "hyper local" reporting BEFORE Patch came to town and they seem to be poised to outlive Patch. We'll see. Even before the big reductions in editorial/reporting resources per Patch site, News 24-680 seemed to do a better job covering core local stories-- albeit with less overall content/audience than here. Some of the regional/generic Patch stories are, IMHO, fine. But if Patch loses even more of its local flavor I suspect interest/traffic will wane.
Napoleon Solo May 21, 2013 at 09:53 am
I'm not sure what it means to "move to" the news24-680 site. Converation there does notRead More seem to be encouraged beyond shallow "me too" kind of comments. If there are any conversations of any substance there, I have yet to find them. I know some or many of the discussions here were disfunctional, but at least there were conversations. I did a test posting there yesterday and it was censored or at least never showed up. My post was in response to an interview of a St. Mary's economist who is against trying to lower the $1 trillion dollar federal deficit spending. I did not say anything disrespectful as I recall, but I guess it was censored cause it contained actual ideas. By the way, I used to be an economist on one of the largest trading floors in the world, so in my opinion, its OK for me to have a different view. The News people I guess don't think so. Will still look at it cause it has some nice local news but its not for participating.
Chris Nicholson May 19, 2013 at 09:38 am
LamoMan: "Back to school" is beginning of year and "Open House" is toward theRead More end. W/R/T high school, I agree with you that it's not as fun as K-5. I was disappointed, for example, to see no exemplary integral homework stapled to the wall of Calculus class-- I love the funny f/s hybrid symbol. Basically, I was bullied into attending by my wife (and the lure of Taco Truck catering). In seriousness, it was nice to stop by and (re)connect names and faces and be reminded of the dedication and talent of many (but not, ahem, all) of the teachers we're lucky enough to have here.
LamorindaMan May 18, 2013 at 11:46 pm
I don't have children so maybe I'm missing something. But, what is the point of an open house at theRead More high school level and what is the point of an open house at the end of the school year? What do they do at open house for high schoolers?
Vincent Carter May 17, 2013 at 01:21 am
At $400,000 of Tax Payer money i expected it to be the Contract Negotaitor.
Carlos Garcia May 16, 2013 at 04:43 pm
I imagine the person was a trainer
lovelafayette May 15, 2013 at 10:44 am
This brochure took a lot of work by a small group of people, supported by a cast of 400! We needRead More your help! PRINT AND SHARE AND POST this great flyer/sign. Parks is conducting a stealth campaign for BMX, NO PUBLICITY ALLOWED!! Jennifer Russell is hounding me personally using the CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER as a tool. I have been threatened with fines and fees, citations and misdemeanors, for informing the public about BMX. “Someone” posted our iconic signs, “Your Park with BMX”, on all the park public forum bulletin boards! No photos of the mystery posters exist, Jennifer lied and told code enforcement I admitted to posting THAT sign. I admitted posting signs about the April 8 meeting, but that is not the sign I am charged with! Please help confound the code enforcement officer by printing and posting and distributing this great flyer. Take it to church, youth group, PTA meetings. We could try our own stealth campaign, all wear Giants baseball hats and black hoodies! The rest of the story is at: WWW.NOLAFAYETTEBIKEPARK.COM and www.lafayettebikepark.com (city site) Suzanne Sommer lovelafayette@msn.com
Beau Behan April 23, 2013 at 03:00 pm
Hi Everyone, Thanks for dropping by PATCH. We really appreciate your taking the time. Hard toRead More imagine at times that Tom Cruise has been in the showbiz for at least three decades now.. It is as if it were just yesterday when I first watched "The Outsiders". We will have more film reviews for you all.. Thanks again. Beau
c5 April 23, 2013 at 02:12 pm
He was great in 'Risky Business', still one of my all time favorites. "Ok, which one of you isRead More the U-boat commander?".... :)
KAC April 22, 2013 at 09:56 pm
Tom Cruise? Pass...
LamorindaMan April 17, 2013 at 10:43 am
Will this workshop benefit motorcyclists? Bicycle riding requires way too much work. I'd rather rideRead More a motorcycle and let the engine do all the heavy lifting.
Napoleon Solo April 16, 2013 at 03:44 pm
They think they are doing something for the environment. When one of my kids had to do a schoolRead More project showing they were using recycled materials, I did not have anything reasonable around and had to go to the store, buy a large soda bottle, and pour it down the drain when I got home so there was a "recycled" item for the project. How did that save the environment?
CJ April 16, 2013 at 03:30 pm
Really?- How long is this farce going to be pushed? This has been going on for what seems likeRead More forever. 10 kids (of Envirotreehuggers) and 2- Environazi's will get on their bikes and ride to school and their nearby offices. While the rest of the reasonable people see this for what it is.....ridiculous. This will never be practical and if you want to be so, then do it without all the nonsense. I used to bike 15miles to my job and back, but that was when I was a wacked out Triathlete trying to qualify for Ironman. It is ridiculous as a daily practice for a myriad of reasons. Sustainable Lafaytette? - I sincerely hope this is not an actual public tax money paid position.
lovelafayette May 20, 2013 at 07:12 am
A dog park in Lafayette has been discussed by the Parks Department for years. Carol Singer, ParksRead More Commissioner always expresses interest but it never goes beyond talking. Parks is in the midst of a major review of CIP projects, email Council or Parks and let them know you want a dog park now! Funding is available, we just need to convince parks this is a priority.
TMoraga April 19, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Hey Paula you don't get it. It doesn't matter what happened. #1 School property is not an off leashRead More location. School district insurance doesn't cover such thing. And yes this is a big liability issue. Dogs! Do not belong on CAMPUS! It really is not hard to understand however if one can't grasp why this is a bad idea they probably should not have a dog in their stewardship either.
Paula Capps April 19, 2013 at 11:28 am
The dog group at Stanley has been going to the school for decades. We have always cleaned up afterRead More the dogs and everyone gets along beautifully. It's been a strong sense of community I myself gained from the group of kind and friendly owners. The incident that stemmed this has become distorted. There are other witnesses besides the parents who literally screamed at a very nice mild mannered young man. They cursed at him and treated him like dirt. What kind of an example was that to a child? His dog was not mean, excited yes, but in fact the dog diid NOT even touch the little girl. The girl chased after the dog's rolling ball. The dog came toward her to claim his ball. She freaked out and started screaming. Instead of talking to the little girl and man in instructive and calm ways to show dog and child all was ok the parents made themselves look crazy and the poor man was verbally abused. Dogs need to run and play just like people. I'd like to add it is a fine to throw food wrappers, bottles, cap tops, and unwanted food all over the field, and most anywhere in this lovely Bay Area we all share. l have picked up hands full, two and times each night. Why are parents allowing this? We have a beautiful place to live here please teach children to respect our earth. They'll be around here longer than the adults at this writing.