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Patch Video: Neighbors, Massage Parlor Operators at Odds In Lafayette

Neighbors challenge the "proliferation" of massage parlors in Lafayette. At least one operator told the city council Monday night that people have the wrong impression.

 

 

What's really going on at the cemetery end of Mt. Diablo Boulevard in Lafayette?

Neighbors told the city council Monday they are tired of late night customers patronizing the string of strip mall massage parlors at that end of town, and say bawdy things are happening both inside and outside.

At least one parlor operator, however, said his neighbors are mistaken and that he and his wife, a licensed massage therapist, "just want to do business here" and aren't offering customers anything more than a good massage.

Related Topics: Red Light Ordinance and massage parlors

Danny O

6:18 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

HOAs are control freaks. Not surprised that they are voicing opposition to this. If you so much as fart in the wrong direction, an HOA is sending you a notice...

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Lafayette Curmudgeon

7:35 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

I don't know what this has to do with HOAs (other than that guy thinks his status as HOA President means something beyond the bounds of the HOA).

Both times I've bought a house, I've told my real estate agent that if they so much as suggested I look at a house that was subject to an HOA, they would be fired.

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fredsbreakfast

8:16 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Deed restrictions? Is that what HOAs employ? Maybe the HOA should buy the strip center and clean it up and turn it into a community thing ... they could even replace the masseuses with marriage/sex-life therapists!

MYRNA lARSEN

8:47 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

I wouldn't want these "massage" parlors in my neighborhood either, HOA or not.

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gary Metz

6:25 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

wow, found a review of melody massage, check out the latest review about this lady boss, whom her husband say " we want to do honest business", apparently his wife is conducting sexual favor. yucks
http://www.rubmaps.com/erotic-massage-melody-massage-lafayette-ca-8640#review-37392

Adam kilpatrick

11:49 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

yeah screw the massage parlors...moon light bunny ranch thats what lafayette needs

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dogman

1:58 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Will they give out coupons for the local merchants such as the squirrel or papillions to get free coffee or a scone after a visit? Maybe the Lafayette Bunny ranch can sponser a little league team.

Lamorinda Reader

12:33 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

I live at the "cemetery end" of Lafayette and have been appalled at the massage parlor businesses in our extended neighborhood. As a result of this article, I did some Internet research and cannot believe the candid reviews of the services provided in these establishments. If I can read these reviews, why can't our police department read the same reviews and take action? We all know what's going on behind closed doors - prostitution.

Men who visit massage parlors are emotionally stunted, no matter the reason, no judgment implied. Massage parlor visits are just one stop on the road to sex addiction as the addict has to seek out more and varied stimulation for his "fix." While we might call the behavior in massage parlors "harmless," what's next for these men, and our community?

Until now, I've held our city management in high regard. Inaction on this issue condones the behavior. Silence is complicit.

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Chris Nicholson

7:57 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Many men are sex addicts, but we can't blame them. The Wizard Alien made them that way (worth a click):
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/267350/find-the-wizard-alien

Seriously, I agree 100% with KDDT, I am dubious of "gateway" claims suggesting that prostitution leads to sex crimes involving victims... I think most vice laws should be repealed, but I begrudgingly admit that, at least in flagrant/open cases, the laws should be enforced. No one wants street walkers in their neighborhoods.

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lovelafayette

7:50 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012

On April 4, 2012 there is a hearing in Pleasant Hill that those concerned about sex workers in Lafayette should attend. http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_20259629/new-rules-could-rub-out-sketchy-massage-parlors?IADID=Search-www.contracostatimes.com-www.contracostatimes.com
PH already regulates massage, but they are considering requiring licensure by the California Massage Therapy Council (CMTC) to obtain a city permit, saving $ PH currently spends on in house regulation. The CMTC is a FREE (to the city) service provided by the state that collects fee, does an FBI background check, licenses, and handles complaints about professional massage therapists. Lafayette could copy the PH ordinance (no need to spend $ reinventing the wheel), and then charge CMTC licensed therapists for a city permit; added benefit more $ in the general fund at no cost to the city. Unlicensed sex workers would then be operating illegally and can be dealt with by police. Someone needs to attend the PH hearing and then get the issue on the Lafayette crime commission and city council AGENDA.

James Younger

12:39 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

massage parlors that provide illicit services are typically listed on rubmaps.com warning adult/explicit descriptions. it appears the parlors in lafayette are rated highly.

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Adam kilpatrick

12:49 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

YES!! YES!! light the fires the witch hunt is on!!! while your at it you should battle with the city to remove the bart station too. it's sooo low class! and it lets criminals into our city....lets take away the massage parlors and put in a pot club cause if i have to deal with people like this lady i need to be high.

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Lafayette Curmudgeon

12:57 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

I'm pretty sure that Lafayette's C-1 zoning doesn't include "whorehouse."

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Patrice Martens

12:58 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Remove the bart station?! Now there's an idea!

Tim Davis

1:00 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Hmm, yeh, did a quick CL search and found some stuff that matches the area. Could be older, earlier business though.

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Adam kilpatrick

1:08 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

i am all for the pot club idea. if every one were high we wouldn't even be talking about this. the massage parlors. people are going to do it no matter if you make it a death sentence to go to these places. the only thing you can do is to put stricter regulations into place. this would include screening the owners and the CMT's certified massage therapist. to out law these places when there are place that are legitimate massage parlors or what you ladies like to call "Spa's" is plane stupid. and to not regulate these places with owners getting back round checks as well as the CMT's even dumber.

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fredsbreakfast

6:31 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

It's not the prostitution that everyone should try and remove, it's the vulgarity and filth and dingy, unhealthful and disgusting environment and atmosphere around some of these places now days, and the social decline generally, that are appalling. You really can't effectively enforce bans on prostitution; you should instead preach about it - but not run around trying to criminalize those involved with it. To me, the crimes that could more easily be dealt with effectively are the one's dealing with the ugliness and dirtiness of some of the people around the stuff - sometimes. Who's the mayor? If he were like Rudi Giuliani you'd have strict enforcement of laws against public lewdness, littering, public intoxication, graffiti, public health rules, human trafficking laws, building code violations ... I bet there are all sorts of 'little' laws going unenforced. I'm not so sure though how effective you're going to be at forcing men to work even harder to find safe sexual pleasures by trying to absolutely outlaw contracting for it this way. Also - wouldn't deed restrictions have prevented neighbors from such unsightliness in this instance? I think Bill Buckley was right about prostitution. Let your church preach about where you should get good and clean sex, not the cops. Here's another perspective on attempting to outlaw these things ~ http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/prostitution.htm

Nancy Lee

1:14 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

A pot club on every corner. Then I can build the organic chocolate chip cookie business I've always wanted and make a killing off the munchie-heads!!

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Adam kilpatrick

1:25 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

whole foods would sue you for copy right infringement with your cookie business say that you stole the idea from them....LOL

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Amanda

1:28 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Thanks, J.D.for FINALLY putting this out there. I think people have to be pretty stupid and/or sheltered to think that the proliferation of "massage parlors" in Lafayette, Moraga and Walnut Creek are all legit.
When I lived on 2nd Street, a guy was running a brothel out of his apartment, across the hall from us. When the cops finally busted him, he and the girls just disappeared, and left all their stuff in the apartment.

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dogman

1:55 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Good god the Yuppies in lafayette are all up in arms, for all you know there is probably a house in Happy Valley or Burton Valley being used as a whorehouse as we speak.

I can imagine Lamorinda reader that you have never traveled in your days. Funny the countries that legalize and zone areas of massage parlors and cathouses seem to have a much lower rate of violent crime. Ya I do not hear of those deviant men in Holland, Germany going out and committing violent crime. Your comment about massage parlors and sex addiction is absurd

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Amanda

5:13 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Clearly you don't read the Patch enough. That story was already reported. :)

c5

2:06 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

wow, i didn't even know there was anything like that going on in lafayette. i guess i don't get out enough...that being said, if zoning or other rules are being broken these establishments should be cited.

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Valerie Sloven

3:20 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

There is a very funny episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry visits a massage parlour for all the right reasons and is asked if he would like a " happy ending".

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fredsbreakfast

7:00 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jan/16/change-law-prostitutes-crime-violent
Protect the women in there - don't criminalize and further marginalize them for their choices. If you don't like the locale, or the aesthetic flavor of the place, enforce zoning or utilize deed restrictions next time. Buy the property. I just think attacking these women and their jobs directly with the law isn't as effective at eliminating them or what they do (or improving their characters) as you might hope. Also - why are the men frequenting this place not in healthy and satisfying, private sexual relationships? Why isn't there any serious concern for that? Instead of bitching about an ugly place you didn't expect to happen why not bitch at the city (a church might be more effective) for not surveying these men and discovering their stories and situations and problems? I'd say instead of outlawing these businesses get out and try to help people with what's missing from their lives and enforce laws that are more serious or more practically enforced. Maybe pass a new ordinance demanding absolutely everyone entering such an establishment must fill out a little questionnaire about their situation -- but no names, etc. (privacy protected completely). If questionnaires aren't filled out - they're closed down. The survey data would be available to anyone interested in what's really going on in the community.

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c5

7:41 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

maybe that's where the fenton's should go instead....:)

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CJ

7:46 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Ice cream has always been my "Happy Ending" to a great evening.

Nancy Lee

9:00 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

CJ's comment is my nomination for "comment of the week." JD??

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J.D. O'Connor

9:12 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Noted. Bowl of ice cream for CJ...

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CJ

2:04 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

I'll be here all week....:-)

Born and Raised here

9:23 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Lets just say for argument's sake that something "unsavory" is going on in these establishments. Personally, I couldn't care less as long as nobody's causing any trouble and no one gets hurt. That being said, the only people that are going to get upset about this is the same busy bodies that have nothing better to do but tell others how to behave and run their lives (i.e. HOA people). My grandfather must be rolling in his grave seeing what Lafayette has become in last two decades. Nosey people getting in everyone else's business.

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Danielle

10:06 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Fair enough. What would you do or say if one of the men patronizing one of these businesses solicited your daughter or wife outside?

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Chris Nicholson

10:15 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

@Danielle: It would odd for my wife or daughter to be chilling outside an Asian massage parlor but, in any case, I would think they would be much more likely to be "hit on" at a restaurant bar than at one of these establishments (maybe we should ban them)--- unless they were wearing spiked platform heels and glitter.

What's your point?

Danielle

10:23 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Simple. First, no one said these were Asian establishments. Second... they seem to be located in a strip mall sort of configuration, with other businesses mixed in. So perhaps your wife goes to the tailor, or the bike shop, and the men waiting to patronize the establishment mistake her for a worker. Apparently the people who live down there said it is happening. That's my point.

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Born and Raised here

10:43 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

I call BS right off the bat. "Apparently the people who live down there said it is happening". Jeeze, how ambiguous can you get? Heresay and conjecture don't make a case. To answer your last reply to my statement, I would most likely take it up with the individual that issued the proposal. Danielle, it's alarmists statements like yours that can ruin someone's life without any proof whatsoever. We've had strong-arm robberies in town, cars constantly being broken into at BART and a city council that spends hundreds of thousands on a new trail beside Pleasant Hill road that was just fine before while asking its residents to approve a no-questions-asked parcel tax for road improvement.

Your worried about a little hanky-panky that may or may not be occurring? Priorities and perspective Danielle.

Carol Ann Long

10:54 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Ambiguous? They raised their concern in a public meeting and presumably to the police. That doesn't sound ambiguous to me. Smoke..... possibly fire?

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Born and Raised here

1:24 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

I'm sorry Carol, this is starting to reflect that movie "Footloose" when the pastor proclaims that music and dancing is evil and all the adults nod their heads in understanding. Just because some "concerned" citizens have made accusations doesn't mean it's the truth. You say that where there's smoke there's fire but you have not one shred of proof. Yet I'm sure that right now if asked, you would shut down every one of the massage places that the HOA is concerned about. What about banning massage studios altogether? I mean jeeze where there's smoke.......

All I'm saying is yes, I understand the concern but no, I don't think there should be any action taken without proof. If Lafayette let it's citizens shut down everything they thought was against their sensiblity or morality we wouldn't have a lot of businesses.

fredsbreakfast

11:57 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Kenny - hah hah, you're rt, if these guys were truly in "healthy and satisfying" relationships maybe the husband and his wife would even go together from time to time for a little 'happy' massage!

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Lafayette Curmudgeon

12:16 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

You know, the only thing missing from this discussion is an insightful Regalia editorial comic ala the Lamorinda Sun.

Man [running out door]: "Look, there's prostitution in Lafayette!"

Woman [still behind paper]: "I'm surprised at that! But by Gosh, Honey, our schools are swell! Honey? Honey?"

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DC / Lafayette

12:21 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Wow....what a bummer when we (fredsbreakfast) start attacking folks for putting out their fears and or opinions. Isn't there a more productive response? You don't have to agree with someone...you also don't need to insult them. You lose the readers when you start to get personal. Make your point with facts or your own opinions....

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J.D. O'Connor

12:42 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Deleted with extreme prejudice...

Ed.

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Chris Nicholson

1:02 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

@JD: I think I saw the deleted post in my email (re: abortion). I think your delete key is too itchy. I actually think the analogy is illuminating. Some think a woman can, in her sole and absolute discretion-- and under the banner or preventing gov't intrusion of her privacy-- get an abortion which some (not me) in good faith believe amounts to an immoral killing of a human. I find it odd that some of the same people who defend this right at the same time oppose the private, harmless and consensual activities of two adults on little basis other than it offends their sensibilities.

I don't see how anyone can hold both beliefs in their head at the same time.

fredsbreakfast

12:25 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Well okay. I'm sorry. I actually do care about your fears. Please say exactly what you're afraid of.

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MYRNA lARSEN

12:33 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

One day while running errands I parked (on the street) in front of a "massage" parlor to eat my lunch. A man in the massage parlor was peaking through the blinds every couple of minutes. After about ten minutes the guy came out and asked if I needed help, and then realized I was eating lunch. My gut feeling was that he thought I was a wife checking on my husband. Satisfied that I was not a threat, the man went back inside and seconds later another man, in business clothes hastily left the parlor. It does bring a sleazy element to town and possibilities of violence. What if I had been that suspicious wife and stormed the place?

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Chris Nicholson

12:44 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

"sleazy" is purely subjective, so hard to argue with that. But violence? On what basis should we expect that?

Do you think massage patrons, as a group, would be more violent than the general population? Is it realistic to fear a wife becoming violently unhinged upon discovering her husband inside. Pretty far fetched, I think. Much more likely to have such a "gotcha" encounter in a bar/club at home. I assume most women would be at least as agitated upon discovery of an adulterous affair. Is adultery or promiscuity (or receipt of "massage") really a public safety concern (apart from public health issues if precautions aren't taken)?

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Born and Raised here

1:31 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

"Gut feeling"? Here we go, that's it, they're guilty, shut 'em down. Boy you've made a lot of accusations with that gut feeling of yours. I like how you use terms like "peeking through the blinds", "wife checking on my husband", "Satisfied that I was not a threat" and the best is "hastily left the parlor".

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CB

4:50 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Guys, I feel like you can't see the forest for the trees on this one. It's as simple as this -- if there's something illegal going on there, the public has a right to demand that it stops.

Speculation on a wife catching her husband cheating at a massage parlor or a bar and will she or won't she become violent and irrational is a red herring. It doesn't matter. The only issue at hand is prostitution -- which is a crime.

Furthermore, the folks who live near these places have an interest in keeping their neighborhood free of crime -- "victimless" or otherwise. It doesn't matter what your personal political, philosophical, or moral stance is -- if what's alleged to be going on there IS ACTUALLY GOING ON THERE -- it's a crime.

This isn't a public policy issue. One's gut feeling need not come into play. It doesn't matter if your definition of sleazy is different than mine. This is about finding out whether or not something illegal is happening, and if it is, shutting it down.

In the meantime, you probably don't have to hide your wife and daughter in the homestead come nightfall. But you have the right to be concerned.

fredsbreakfast

12:47 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Myrna - 'Stormed the place'? I'm sure they'd have you arrested, and your husband would reconsider various things. Would you really 'storm' the place? I'm gonna go into couples counselling!

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J.D. O'Connor

1:24 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

@ChrisNicholson

Point taken, Chris, and entirely likely as I am taking a harder line against Comment Offenders and reacting swiftly to potential violators. Sorry if you got caught in the collateral damage, just please know I'm having to devote more time to care and maintenance of our threads as they grow and that innocent posts may fall victim from time to time.

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theresa

6:07 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

J.D., on the one hand (no pun intended), I get the need to delete an offending comment. But on the other hand, how can we form our own impressions of the various commenters (offending or not) here if someone (you) is cleaning up the offensive ones?

lovelafayette

7:14 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Lafayette needs to initiate business licenses and fees, a business tax, and the police need to charge $ to issue permits to licensed massage therapists, like San Ramon does. This opens the door to regulation and inspection of businesses, instead of relying on police raids, and would bring in needed city revenue. I have a business in Lafayette and we use all the infrastructure and city services for free. I pay a CCcounty tax only. In Oakland the same business costs me $2000/year in city tax as well as the Alameda County tax. I do not feel I get my money's worth in Oakland, but would be happy to pay my share in Lafayette. I got charged $86 for a false alarm in Oakland because the burglar fled before the police arrived, there was visible damage to the door but no burglar in sight! And that was a good night as the police actually responded and did an investigation. Let's tax the hookers out of town!

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Born and Raised here

7:18 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

"Let's tax the hookers out of town!". Wow and another alarmist makes a statement without any knowledge but what she hears in a video on the internet. Brilliant. The last few bank that were robbed had witnesses describing the suspects as black males. I guess using your logic we should ban any black male from entering town.

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J.D. O'Connor

9:29 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Theresa... please see the video tutorial posted on the site today. That should detail my reasons for taking a harder stance. I would rather not, believe me, but the readership demands that we do.

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Delta

8:53 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Readership=JD's four patch coffee buddies

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Sue Haas

11:49 am on Friday, February 24, 2012

@"Delta:
I've been to two of the coffee meetings you mentioned and found them fun and informative, and I would say that even if Patch hadn't picked up the bill. On both occasions there were about a dozen people on hand and I don't remember meeting anyone named Delta. Your picking sounds oddly personal and more than a little unhinged.

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theresa

12:02 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Sue, based on what Zoe Claire wrote in response to another of Delta's comments much farther down this thread, I'd say you're absolutely right!

lovelafayette

9:59 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

http://www.ci.san-ramon.ca.us/police/massage1.html
Check out what you have to do and pay to operate a massage business in San Ramon. Generally I do not believe in more new laws, but this seems like a very wise move. The cell tower protest created momentum for a new tower ordinance, I suspect the same would happen if the neighborhood organized and demanded a massage ordinance.

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John Smith

10:37 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

I guess all the guys from Lafayette will have to go to Berkeley, Oakland, or SF to get a massage. The businesses probably bring in revenue to the city of Lafayette so if you close these places down then fewer folks will be spending money in Lafayette.

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lovelafayette

11:41 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

"all the guys from Lafayette" could try a local Lafayette massage where the ladies who lunch crowd goes, Lavande or Lafayette Park Hotel, if it is really only massage they crave.

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Born and Raised here

8:57 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

I just looked at the prices of a massage at LPH. $120 for 50 min. minmum, compared to Melody Massage at $50 for 60 min. Just because you brought it up I'm going to get a massage at Melody and I'll get back to everyone if I'm offered anything other than a massage.

Born and Raised here

7:09 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Hey CB, you're the pot calling the kettle black. "Not seeing the forest throught the tress"? Really. I just took a drive over to the area yesterday and this is what I saw. First off there doesn't seem to be a lot of business although I was only in the area for about 20 minutes, I did not see anyone coming in or out. There were cars parked in the Dyer Dr. side in a driveway of the business and a bunch in front of the businesses driveways on Dyer but that's pretty normal. I took a drive down Willow, Walnut and Woodland, again maybe three cars parked in front of residences and I'm pretty sure they were the owner's. There's been a lot of accusations brought up in the video that just don't add up to the reality. Again, these kind of alarmist statements are the types pushed be people who have an agenda. Until something's been proved, I urge everyone to see for yourself and stop making accusations out of nothing but your fears that something that MIGHT be happening.

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CB

10:22 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

First, thank you for your investigation and report of findings. The court of public opinion will give appropriate weight to the evidence collected during your guerrilla stakeout. (I'm only joking around -- I'm glad that you're here to point out that this is all PROBABLY much ado about nothing.)

To clarify, I'm merely defending the citizen's right to be concerned -- and trying to point out that this thread has gone way off topic.

This has turned into a sanctimonious free for all, involving (1) what's the big deal?-ers, (2) how dare you accuse them!-ers, (3) hide your daughter!-ers, (4) let's debate the free market implications of my personal take on this-ers, (5) massages are a gateway form of touching-ers, (6) and everyone else in between.

lovelafayette

12:50 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

OMG, seems all that has been accomplished by this string of comments is to inspire some of the gentlmen like BRH to go get a cheap massage!

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Born and Raised

2:07 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

I don't know about you but $70 is still a good chunk of change to me. Cheap? Maybe. But at least I deal in reality and will go see for myself. What have you done, with the exception of taking a stance without any proof?

Miles VanBuren

1:15 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Simple solution for the residents living next to these establishments if they want to drive them out of business. Form a 24 hour watch group to sit outside of the massage parlors armed with signs and a video camera aimed to capture the patrons that are frequenting the establishment. The sign should say "smile you are about to be posted to the internet". Perhaps Myrna Iarson can be the first to volunteer since she likes to eat her lunch in her car parked outside of the massage parlor.

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lovelafayette

2:13 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

BR and BRH (? same poster) this is all pretty entertaining! Where will you hide your secret mic and camera since you will have no clothes on?

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Born and Raised

2:21 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

I'd tell you but i don't think you could handle the truth.

Born and Raised

2:13 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

CB, You're might be right about the possibility of something going on. All I've been saying all along is that some of these self-righteous people are making accusations without one factual truth (other than a neon-sign). I like to work in facts and yes, I'll check things out myself before I throw someone under a bus and take away their business or livelihood.

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CB

3:39 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Partner, I think we're on the same page! Wanna head down there and see if they'll give us a 2 for 1 -- who else is with us? Let's buy in bulk -- maybe we can get a Groupon out of this.

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Sandy

3:45 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Men. Proving yet again that they do all their thinking with that little attachment below their beltline.

fredsbreakfast

2:34 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

"if they want to drive them out of business" ~ out onto the streets and onto the Internet - less managed less supervised less regulated. Maybe if frustrated men can't go to see the happy masseuse they'll become gay and join a SF sex club, which replaced the bath house ... how's that sound? Why are men going to the happy house? Why try humiliating the men? Maybe post the wives' pics on the net. Say: "another woman uninterested in pleasing her man". Seriously, why no interest in my heal them-don't humiliate them approach? Help these poor guys, don't beat up on them ... they're desperate for intimate physical loving (with in-shape, sexy women). What's up with that? Don't any of you women care?

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theresa

2:55 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

sounds like some unchecked baggage is falling out of the overhead bin.

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MYRNA lARSEN

2:56 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Yeah Fred, blame the wives. I bet many of the "poor guys" aren't that in shape and sexy themselves. And no, if your values are what they sound like, I really don't care.

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CB

3:43 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

My guess is that this weird comment will soon be stricken from the record, but I'm in favor of leaving stuff like this up for posterity -- as a testament to the irrationality of some of our fellow concerned citizens.

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Amanda

4:58 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

theresa~Perfect comment! Love it!
Poor fred.

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Deborah

6:13 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Reportedly, the male owner of one of these joints is named Chen. I assume that's an Asian last name. There's a huge problem with poor Asians being imported here for the sex trade. Organizations like Not for Sale are combating the international sex slave trade. Yes, it's alive and well in this 21st century. These girls are someone's daughters. Put yourself in their shoes. If you would not want your own daughter to be in the sex trade, then you're a hypocrite. Further, it's not just imported poor Asian girls sold into sex slavery. We have plenty of home grown mess. Poor women from Oakland (or even rich women from Lamorinda, oppressed by secret domestic violence, but stuck in it, for many reasons) can become ensnared. And it starts with someone thinking it's no big deal to use women (young women - teens, and even younger, childhood rape is rampant today) for sex. (That someone might be a woman, btw, although the preponderance of men using women this way, regardless of the long term harm it causes women, is higher than than the rate of women using women this way.)

fredsbreakfast

2:45 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

New City Ordinance: Happy Massage patrons respond on-the-spot to a survey questionnaire - or pay a 25 dollar tax on top of the cost of massage.

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fredsbreakfast

3:05 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

If perhaps these men aren't married, and aren't good marriage material, discover why not, and figure out the demographic development. If it turns out the guys are really really scary, give 'em community funded discounts at Happy Massage establishments, in exchange for complete personal info and ID. Maybe even tracking devices. And if it turns up in the data that some of these guys are super duper wicked types, give 'em a daily free pass to Happy Massage but the rest of the day they work in prison suits cleaning streets of Lafayette on chain gangs! (Don't worry about the girls at these places, they're tough, and their managers take good care of them) Then after a few months of chain gang and daily 'happiness' with a manager/bouncer watching over them, they may be resocialized enough to remarry, or even open their own Happy Massage business.

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natalie johns

3:38 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Nominate theresa's "unchecked baggage" comment for "Quotes of the Week!"

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fredsbreakfast

6:28 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

"Yeah Fred, blame the wives".
Myrna - I'm not blaming wives or excusing men. I was just wondering about what's going on in these guys lives - instead of condemning and demonizing them. I don't know if all these guys are really completely terrible people. Maybe some of them are weak, needy, psychologically wounded somehow. Earlier, someone said 'emotionally stunted' - okay, maybe so. I just see lots of women these days who're readily treated as victims of various wrongs, and I was wondering of it's possible some of these men have psychic/emotional needs too. Go ahead and put them in jail if they're breaking laws, I understand - i was just wondering if punishment and shame are the only two solutions to guys' choosing this interesting route to sexual pleasures, rather than a path presumably safer or more seemly and wholesome. I'm sure none of these men imagine this to be the ideal sex life -- they've each got a story, and problems. I also doubt many of them are oblivious to the character of the communities in which they live and work and play. But again - I'm not excusing the behaviors - just trying to understand it a little. Did you follow either of my two links?

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lovelafayette

8:33 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

After looking at the online graphic descriptions of 3 of these parlors I kind of agree that I would rather these deviants act out with a hooker in a massage parlor, instead of in our schools. So where in our town is a good place for a red light district? The empty Dodge dealership, hidden away from prying eyes. Oh, but that won't work! I read that MIKE'S BODY SHOP leased it, or is that another brothel? HUNGRY HUNTER is also available, no need to change the name. Just NIMBY.

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fredsbreakfast

9:11 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Wow - so you have reason to believe that a significant number of these patrons are contracting for 'deviant' acts at these businesses; that we (the community) should be concerned about that; and that these men will go directly next into sexual deviance with school children - and on their campuses - if the massage parlors are not available? Maybe you're right - I dunno really; maybe the women working in these massage parlors are all dressed up like little school girls. Maybe most of the men going in there really are pedophiles, and they're trying desperately to stay away from children by going to these 'happy' massage places instead. Maybe if we force massage parlors to aggressively advertise relief for the afflicted--with fake school girls on staff--we could reduce real crime by pedophiles. Sorry - I just don't see such a connection between these businesses and pedophilia. It seems like there might be other aspects (maybe) of this type business in the community we could focus public attention and policy upon, doesn't it?

fredsbreakfast

12:12 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Lovelafayette, John - sorry, someone just informed me that you may not like me making fun of the notion that without the 'happy' massage businesses we'd suddenly have all these guys running to pray on our school children. Look, I really didn't mean to say something that would hurt feelings or make light of real fears. I just find the idea ridiculous that these men would see such little difference in these adult professional masseuses - and school children. Sorry - I do care about readers' real fears very much. I think I was imagining more prejudice and bigotry toward these poor guys rather than actual fear of them. I'm sorry - if there's real fear, I'm really sorry, I wasn't making fun of that.

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theresa

12:19 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

fred, wouldn't guys "running to pray [sic] on our school children" be a good thing? (unless "guys" include the priests who are eluding prison time.)

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lovelafayette

10:00 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

In these posts, and today in the CCT: Lafayette City Council meeting, Thomas Raeth," Our kids are getting solicited." Those children are being targeted by pedophiles, wouldn't you agree?

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Chris Nicholson

10:26 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

@LoveLaf: The article said that a minor was "solicited" by an *EMPLOYEE*. This has very different implications than what you suggest. Frankly, I'm struggling to imagine the circumstances of the alleged "solicitation" that would trouble me. Maybe they should check ID's at the door, but my conscience would not be shocked if a 17 year old boy (who would have known EXACTLY what the "deal" was) went into an Asian Massage Parlor (Note: I'm not being racist here, I'm reacting to observed reality) and was offered a "Happy Ending." This sounds like a parenting issue and not a community outrage issue.

Again, I acknowledge that prostitution is currently illegal here and if these establishments are openly and flagrantly breaking the law, they should be punished. But this is a "Malum prohibitum" issue, not a moral issue, IMHO.

I, for one, would much rather the cops focus on deterring and/or catching burglars versus being the Puritanical Paternalism Police.

Tim Davis

1:24 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Phone call, theresa..... it's the Vatican.

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theresa

1:38 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

haha! (i don't think they have my number anymore, tim.)

fredsbreakfast

1:29 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

theresa - I'm easy prey to your superior vocabulary, spelling, grammar and usage; I'm just unaware (not in denial) of evidence that these 'happy' massage patrons are also likely child predators - and I feel like the naked hatred toward these men--or at least toward their consorting with these women--represents an un-happy coldness that may do more harm than good in the larger picture. Associating these 'happy' massage customers with criminal predators in the Church seems to me to represent more of the same cold hatred. If these men are criminals let's lock 'em up. I'm just unaware of the level of immorality and depredation attributed to all these men which some of the ostensibly 'fearful' comments indicate. I don't remember reading anything in this thread helping me to see alarming and dangerous character flaws in these massage clients - unless you believe men desiring consensual uncomplicated sex with adult women indicates something specially fearsome and ugly about these particular guys. Maybe it does - I'm genuinely curious; I just detect something angry and mean here besides whatever sadness (may) result from these men's cavorting ways.

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theresa

1:41 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

no association on my part was meant, fred. i was strictly using your misspelling of the word "prey" as the basis for a silly joke. 'tis all.

lovelafayette

9:56 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

In these posts, and today in the CCT: Lafayette City Council meeting, Thomas Raeth," Our kids are getting solicited." Those children are being targeted by pedophiles, wouldn't you agree?

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lovelafayette

9:58 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

This neighborhood should go directly to the Contra Costa District Attorney and file your complaint, they will take you seriously.

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Lafayette Curmudgeon

10:26 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Does anyone seriously think for a moment these folks are targeting *children*? It's facially absurd. These women are trying to run a business -- a sketchy business, I'll grant you -- but it's a business and there's not much money in offering sex to children. They're not in a position to offer $60 or $100 or whatever it costs.

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Chris Nicholson

10:30 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

At some point in asserting bogus policies, all Nanny State proponents start shrieking "We are just trying to protect THE CHILDREN." If that is the strongest argument you've got, you probably should reconsider your position.
There must be some catchy label for this concept, as it have been cropping up since time immemorial.

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lovelafayette

9:26 am on Friday, February 24, 2012

Neighbor Michelle Douglass, who lives near Melody Massage and Classical Music Massage on Mt. Diablo Boulevard, .... "Obviously, it's a community issue, but we're trying to bring the attention onto our neighborhood because we have families," she said. "We have 25 kids under the age of 18. We've had masseurs talking to high school students walking home from school." ...Since the report of the minor being solicited by a parlor employee, police have stepped up patrols in that neighborhood, the (LPD) chief added.
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_19974020

Chris F.

10:16 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

So funny,Ii brought this up with LPD last year, I have heard from many acquaintance that the Happy Endings are on the other end of the strip, Closest across from LPD, Second is near roundup and third is neighbors to Millie’s, But then again as I have no First Hand Knowledge and this is just Word of Mouth!

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Chris F.

10:20 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

I was sitting at Petars with a bunch of people that were laughing about the amount of massage parlors and how the one next to LPD was a FullService Parlor, I had to laugh and next time I saw LPD I sat with him and said everything I had heard..They had a good chance at closing them down before the "word got out"

Bruce R. Peterson

9:05 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Good Sunday morning to Pope John Doe & his flock. Last week I was asked what taxes I favor. Well, #1 is taxing & regulating the world's oldest profession. # 2. Taxing & regulating stupid weed. #3 Taxing churches. I was staring at great big Saint Perpetua Church, when I was being questioned. The ill advised do gooders are helping crooks get rich, by keeping high demand things illegal. i attended the infomercial/fundraiser about human trafficking. Obviously there is a demand for sex by people of all races, ages & sexual life styles. J. D.'s flock wants to keep the police & D.A's busy & the prisons full & the government bankrupt.

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bryan

9:30 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

OK, I'll ask. What are you talking about?

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James Coleridge

10:01 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Who's Pope John Doe? Maybe if you made your position more clear we could understand your point. And last I checked the prisons were already full??

Sara

12:04 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012

You're saying we should legalize prostitution, marijuana, and tax the churches and that will make things easier for the police and courts and empty our prisons, or most of them. Right?

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Chris Nicholson

12:28 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012

I am not sure what he (Bruce) meant or whether he was serious, but I agree that we should legalize and tax (non-punitively) most vices, including drugs and prostitution. I also see no reason at all why churches as such (not related entities that exist exclusively to do secular charitable work) should be exempt from tax and disclosure requirements. Also, I see no reason why donations to churches (again, as such) should be tax deductible. Neither preaching nor amassing vast fortunes tax-free advance any public purpose that I can detect-- why not ask these organizations to be self-sufficient without a taxpayer subsidy?

Note that a removal of tax-exempt status from *most* churches probably would not have much impact, because their salary and other expenses would be deductible business expenses. They would just pay tax on the profit/surplus, like all other organizations. Admittedly, denial of a deduction for tithing would likely reduce giving a bit, but I suspect that people would just apportion their giving to run the preaching business at break even, while giving excess funds to the charitable affiliates.

Together, these moves would help empty prisons and reduce the deficit without reducing public safety at all.

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fredsbreakfast

3:44 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Do you really believe preaching advances no public purpose? Do you believe it ever did?

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Chris Nicholson

5:46 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012

When I said "public purpose" I meant the kind of thing that should be supported by tax dollars, like roads and police. In that sense, I do not think religion should be supported by tax dollars. Despite the "separation of church and state," relions are currently supported by tax dollars by allowing tax deductions for tithing and allowing religious organizations to secretly amass billions tax-free.

If you are asking me if preaching "does/has done any good at all"-- that is a more complicated question that I do not have a simple answer for. I will say that I would be happier in a world where everyone would bring their own answer to that question and could choose to support or not support (or not) their flavor of preaching without special burden or benefit from the government.

In short, I support freedom. What about you?

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Amanda

7:55 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Nicely said, Chris. I'll just leave it at that.

fredsbreakfast

11:27 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012

Well - to me, very little emanating from our federal government serves public purposes so swimmingly. I'm not up on (aware of) current evidence supporting the the notion that roads and police are most effectively and efficiently provided by government - even local governments.

I'm not asking government to support religion; I do believe though, that religious faith in certain fundamental values and principles provides a necessary framework for our economic and political systems of living and interacting with each other. Religion (sometimes, in certain ways) supports government--of established principles and truths. Government (force) doesn't support religious 'faith', quite the same way.

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fredsbreakfast

5:37 am on Monday, February 20, 2012

Sorry - of course local governments should provide local enforcement of local law. I think I earlier said something else which I didn't really mean to say, sorry.

I like very much, generally, all that you are saying. I'm Christian, libertarian, cornucopian, republican, individualist, western, conservative; I very much like everything about our U.S. constitution. Yes, I support economic and political freedom--and liberty. I'm in favor of minimizing government--which of course is always essentially the negation of liberty. Yes, I do support freedom - much more than 99% of anyone and everyone I've ever encountered in all my life.

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Bruce R. Peterson

7:15 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Religious organizations pay no property tax. Shall I declare my Game Refuge a religion, to get out of paying property taxes? The CCC BOS & city & county public works departments have a proposed fee, to tax us for the rain water that lands on our roof. The bigger the roof, the bigger the tax. They call it the Clean Water Program. Your ballot for this sham, should arrive in your mailbox soon. Over $1,000,000 in taxpayer's money has been squandered on advertising. The obviously corrupt Contra Costa Times published a hogwash story about the February 7th Supervisor's meeting. I was there, front & center. The meeting was a sham. The predetermined outcome, arrived that afternoon by snail mail.
Now please tell me why I should be concerned about Massage Parlours or the Meth Lab I heard about on Sunday or the booze bottles people throw out their car windows into our Game Refuge.

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Chris F.

8:04 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

@Bruce, The reason you should be concerned is because if everyone ran amuck and threw their trash everywhere and built meth labs and killed animals at will you wouldn't have a game refuge to claim as a religion.. there are shams everyday its called politics, If you don't like them then don't vote for the politicians who make the stuff up. The problem with the clean water is that it's a federal mandate that we clean our waterways and we wouldn't have this problem if people cared. People have been selling snake oil since the begining, It's up to you to decide on which snake oild you want to buy and sell..

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sneaky john

2:55 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

SO i had to know what was all the hub bub about, SO I WENT TO ONE!!!Dom! Dom! Dom! i went to the one next to Greg's muffler 3327 mt. Diablo blvd. The woman answered the door bell and took me into a room. which was very nice and heated. she then told me the price for and hour $50 and told me to undress after she left and cover myself with the towel and lay on the massage table. so i did and after a hour long great massage i expected to hear "honey you want Extra?" i didnt so i asked expecting her to tell me a price and she said "I dont do EXTRA and if you want that kind of massage don't come here...there is the place down the street they do that" i told here sorry and thank you and tipped her. FYI the massage WAS Great! so not all the places in lafayette are shady whore houses. but i will try the others and report back. and unless you are all willing to try the place out and see if they offer extra...STFU and to all the ladies who are scared to lose you husband to these seedy places. maybe you need to see if there is serious room for improvement in the bedroom.

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Chris Nicholson

6:02 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

I also did my own investigation of the allegations of Lamorinda moms making neighborhood "housecalls." I ran into a neighbor at the mailbox and solicited services. She sort of recoiled in disgust and walked away muttering something.

So, there you go. myth *BUSTED*.

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theresa

6:09 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

sounds like we have ourselves a crack investigative team!

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Born and Raised

7:26 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

I've been away but before I left for a vacation I went to "Melody Massage" to look into this as well (because I said I would). Pretty good massage (not great) and definitely worth the price. Although the gal who gave me the massage didn't speak much english, she never was un-professional in any way, never offered a happy ending and all I got was a cup of water at the end. I don't have enough time or funds to continue this "investigation" but I figured I would live up to what I've been preaching and check it out for myself. If ever there was any "hanky panky" going on it's defintely stopped by now I would imagine, so all you people making assumptions without proof and then shouting from the rooftops should STFU. Seriously.

Oh and all of you who have posted websites that show how people are "reviewing" the places? IT'S THE INTERNET. You don't think that there could be a possibility that some sophmoric idiots would post things of this nature? I certainly wouldn't take it as gospel since it reads like a Playboy Forum article.

fredsbreakfast

7:07 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

" ...room for improvement in the bedroom"?
Careful there, the women of Patch have made clear - that topic is illegitimate. Better we demonize your masseuse. Can't you say anything to confirm our fears?

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Amanda

7:37 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Maybe you would have more luck with your wives if you didn't call them out on a public forum.
This thread is getting ridiculously funny. Are you people for real?!

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Chris F.

8:38 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

For a second or two today I thought this was all to real when I was going to get lunch at Siam Orchid, I had parking my car and was walking up to the restaurant when I noticed some guy was getting out of his late model caddy with the faux fur seats and the fuzzy dice hanging from the mirror, He had a big ole hat on and his cain in hand, looked around and said theres my bitches, tourning to look I noticed he had his wife and four little toy dogs wearing diapers coming from the vets office..

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Delta

8:47 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Does anybody remember what the story was about??
This is the worst comment thread ever.

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theresa

10:14 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

This may be one of the best comment threads I've read on the Patch. It has community needs and concerns, humor, investigative actions, political discourse, sex therapy, religion, relationship issues....all rolled into one.

Oh, and participation from more than just the regular cast of Patch characters! (no disrespect to the regular cast of Patch participants.)

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Zoe Claire

8:30 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

... signed: Contra Costa Times

Dozens of comments, most of them hilarious and way past the "u suk" of other sites. This is the best entertainment around -- and an interesting subject too. I didn't even know Lafayette had these places and apparently neither did a lot of others.

sneaky john

9:34 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Kenny "DivalentDaddy" Tuckerman. HELL yeah i went in there and asked. why you MAD BRO??? honestly i had to see with my own eye's, if that comes down to asking a woman to be a prostitute than so be it. And if some one said that you could take a ferrari f355 and do 175mph on the hwy 24 i would try....umm wait i already did. and the lady told me after i asked her for the extra "I SAY NO TO KENNY, I SAY NO TO YOU!!!"

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Mandylamorinda

9:48 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Do they offer these massages to women? I could really go for a rub and poke;)
I hadn't noticed these places in town until this week when these town nosetta's started the gossip. How many do we actually know of and where are they besides the one near Petar's?

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Chris F.

10:11 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

I think its time to put this bedtime story to sleep with a happy ending!

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fredsbreakfast

10:20 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

"even though you had no evidence that she was a prostitute or had any interest in being a prostitute"
The compulsive urge is just too much; it's such a terrible disease you know. The minute you walk in, even if just by accident, you're hopelessly addicted.

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sneaky john

10:20 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

i think 4 but and not positive. know there is one behind el jarro, one next to greg's muffler, the one next to the pool supply place, and i heard there is one next to the safe way but i haven't seen it. event thou i walked threw that area to get to millie's kitchen didn't see any thing

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Chris F.

10:52 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Next to Round up. Next to Millies, Across from LPD station/Desco Plaza..but then of course this is second hand knowledge...

fredsbreakfast

10:37 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Stay away from those school yards Sneaky!

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Mandylamorinda

11:57 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Thanks Sneaky John, my day will be busy tomorrow. I wonder how many more are out there that are " hidden" in plain sight. I guess this locations would be less of a problem since they wouldn't be effecting our clean white church non sexed environment. Honestly I would be quite upset to find out my husband or college aged son was out having sex with a revolving door vagina endangering our health. It's basically like our whole community is having sex with each other.

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Chris F.

12:50 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Mandy,
I really doubt these places are actually anything more that massage parlors and maybe there are a few of these parlors that give a slippery hand happy ending to a select few whom are their "regulars" and now that they are in the patch and on Ch. 2 News its all over for them.

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sneaky john

3:26 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Mandy. i am sure that there are those who want to fall in with your belief of god but i am not one. and if you and any one tried to forced their version of religion on me they might find an answer that they may not like. if you wish you can pursue all these people and hope the world will be all happy and positive....but with out sorrow, misery, and suffering there is no way to measure happiness or joy with out the dark there can not be light.

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Regular Guy

11:58 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

A revolving door vagina sounds like it would be very painful.

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HOA Pres

5:27 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

There are reportedly eleven massage parlors in Lafayette. Most have been located in previous threads. The two closest to my neighborhood are at 3381 and 3385 Mt. Diablo Blvd.

fredsbreakfast

1:15 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

"revolving door vagina endangering our health"!
Huh?
Yep, it's well documented - no one has ever come out of one of these lower-end, happy-type massage places without emerging totally disease ridden, and presumably also with a new lust for preying on the community's children; it's inevitable.

So, if you found out your husband was "out having sex with a revolving door vagina", your 1st concern would be the health and safety of your 'whole community', not your un-'happy' bedroom, and obviously unsatisfied husband? That seems weird and mean-hearted to me.

Are you sure you know so much about incidence of disease contraction at these places? Are you sure you really even care? Is your concern about public health, or love and happiness between you and your husband?

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fredsbreakfast

2:29 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Mandylamorinda - I'm sorry, I was just now informed that my question's gonna hurt your feelings and cause more harm than good. Sorry - I meant only to suggest that men frequenting these places aren't actually spreading as much disease as you seem to be imagining, and that it seems entirely possible to me that these men might possibly have needs and desires not appropriately appreciated by the women they've tried to commit to. I do understand the potential problems associated with doing business at these type places.

Bruce R. Peterson

6:48 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

@Chris F. People do throw there trash everywhere. A walk around Little League's City Park, shows children learn to throw trash at an early age. Firing guns is outlawed in Lafayette, so the animals in my game refuge are safe. As for finding better politicians to elect. I expect to see flying pigs first. No honest person would ever get campaign money from special interest groups, who rule politicians.. Spreading propaganda wins elections. Kvetching about massage parlours & drug use, gets publicity. Once elected, they are in politics for life. There are very few exceptions.

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fredsbreakfast

9:04 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

"No honest person would ever get campaign money from special interest groups"? ...? Are you sure? Not even a special interest group made up of principled individuals like you - organized for the very purpose of fighting any and all special privileges and perks? Are you sure that no election can ever be won with the truth? Never?

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Bruce R. Peterson

7:45 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

@ fredsbreakfast. Since i only know one person named Fred, who loves the Patch. I will write his/your name in for County Supervisor this year. I usually write my neighbor's dog(s) in for City Council. The poor dogs can't even walk or play on the City Park next door. They will be met by hostility from the special interest group that owns The Lafayette City Council. The special interest group has their very own public servant,(called a maintenance man) to harass dogs & their feeders. The parts of the park not under the totalitarian's control, have serious maintenance issues. There is trash, fire hazards & poison oak in abundance. No one dares tell the truth. Hostile lawyers run the special interest group, with ex football players turned mortgage bankers for scary effects. Fred, you must be eating flying pigs for breakfast. Every meeting I've attended, Lafayette City Council or CCC BOS has been a sham.

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fredsbreakfast

5:25 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

I've never paid attention to local politics. You wanna run?

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David Smith

6:16 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Proof? Jesus, the fringe this thread has run to! I'm sure there's much under the surface of our town that would terrify us. Consider the popular educator who now dwells in state prison. Divorces? Affairs? Murder? It's all here. You don't need to act so shocked!

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Bruce R. Peterson

7:35 am on Friday, February 24, 2012

@ fredsbreakfast. I ran for Lafayette City Council in 1984. Everything I ever did & some things I did not do (bad), made front page headlines in the obviously corrupt Contra Costa Sun/Times. Since then I have been ridiculously harassed by the Lafayette P.D. Fred, you should be paying attention to local politics. They are incredibly corrupt. Boring too. Sometimes hostile. I went to Mark DeSaulnier's town hall meeting last night. The crowd looked so dour, I picked up the e-mail addresses of the nice female aides & departed to the men's room. Mark DeSaulnier walked in & peed at the same trough. We had a 2 minute chit chat. I showed him the small building I constructed & the clone near it. I warned him of the dour crowd awaiting him. I enjoyed the free concert @ Campolindo in a comfy chair. This was supposed to be about the Asian Massage Parlour that did not know Lafayette is full of Nazis. I have to go to halfwaytoconcord.com to find stories about the sham tax/fee, that arrived by snail mail yesterday. Politician.s sneak, lie & cheat. People like fredsbreakfast have their heads in the sand. I walk around & talk to people. I never know who or what I might find.

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Born and Raised

8:36 am on Friday, February 24, 2012

Are you wearing a tin foil hat? You make it sound as if there's some byzantine plot around every corner of our little town. I myself have attended a lot of council/town meeting where the same players show up and try to influence their own agendas but I really don't think they have the intelligence or pull to influence the politics the way you describe.

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natalie johns

8:43 am on Friday, February 24, 2012

You certainly have a, how should I put this -- colorful -- approach to your politics.

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fredsbreakfast

5:10 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Bruce -- 'Head in the sand'?
I've just been saying I'm not so sure massage parlor employees and their clients are a big threat to school kids. Maybe they were -- one day(?) -- or whatever. Enforce laws - I'm fine with that.

Or do you say 'head in sand' because I mentioned I've never paid a lot of attention to local politics? If you can show me how paying more attention to local politics can reduce the size and scope of today's state and federal governments I'll pay more attention to local politics. Maybe if state and federal governments were less consequential in our lives, and therefor state and fed office seekers spent less on their campaigns and got less of our attention, we'd then realize the larger necessity of greater responsibility again at home in the hood. We'd all generally pay more attention to local elections.

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fredsbreakfast

5:18 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

Bruce -- currently there's too much government generally--at all levels combined--and people don't generally care sufficiently about governing and politics and political economy to pay attention to low budget lower profile local issues, unless something slaps in the face. Reduce the size and scope of state and federal governing (budgets) and see local citizen interest grow and community spirit and participation grow.

I didn't promote disinterest in local stuff, and of course I care or I wouldn't be here commenting. I'm just saying that I personally prefer looking at the larger developing problems with the ongoing national trend toward ever more centralized power and authority over us (formerly sovereign individuals). We no longer govern ourselves locally as you sorta maybe imagine: we now are governed increasingly by an elite ruling class of career politicians. I'm glad you're interested in local politics. Local politics should be allowed again to be larger in the way we self govern. So you'd have less imposition of the state and fed upon you, and suddenly you'd care more about the school board election, and those candidates would have larger budgets, etc.

Bruce R. Peterson

9:09 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012

@fredsbreakfast. Did you ever notice that all of the fancy signs on projects all over Lafayette, saying the projects are funded by State or Federal money? Lafayette's RDA is drowning in debt. I was not allowed to vote on RDA or any project but my own home. Now their are totalitarians telling people what they can do on their own property. Right down to the color of their home & the type of trees they can plant.

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fredsbreakfast

8:54 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012

Well, I'm not used to these RDAs. I've lived most of my life in Texas -- sounds to me like RDAs would probably not be allowed under Texas's constitution. They seem like a bad idea here too. Maybe while people are finally beginning to pay attention to the multi-trillion dollar federal government train wreck they have a hard time keeping up with these super-governmental agencies going around condemning properties willi nilli like--unless it's your property! And then the growing public-sector pay/pension crashes are delayed because redevelopment let cities postpone dealing with the problem by encouraging them to seek out new tax revenues by subsidizing sales-tax-generating redevelopment projects.

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MYRNA lARSEN

9:15 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Yeah, maybe the wives should just set up shop themselves so they can be erotic therapeutic heroes and have a little Nordie money as a benefit. Then all the men in the neighborhood could thank their lucky stars for these gifted and giving neighbors.

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Chris Nicholson

9:23 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Haven't many women done that already (on a exclusive, vertically integrated basis)?

Some who have not been able to acquire a captive supplier have simply chosen to outsource.

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Amanda

9:38 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Eeew, fredsbreakfast. Please stop. Go to counseling, get divorced or just talk to your wife. Stop airing you dirty laundry (pun intended). I feel sorry for you.

fredsbreakfast

12:18 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

It's not about me. I'm just more interested in the truth about what goes on with these places and some of the communities' husbands -- and why -- than in dumbly indulging unrealistic and naive fears about Shanghai women attacking school children with happy-melody massages. I'd rather think and joke a little about actual problems and actual solutions than fret over and feel sorry about imagined calamities and dirty icky creepiness. Don't feel so sorry for me, and don't feel sorry for the happy massage phenomenon; where are the victims? Try to have a little fun and imagine ways to encourage and enhance healthfulness and virtue in the community. What's the best way to do that?

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